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william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
good to vent ben; "anybody can be an artist if they choose to make art"

...anybody can be a brain surgeon with a cordless drill.
benjamin
1 articles & 212 comments since 30 Nov 2007
willy - do you need an accreditation to be an artist? even idiotic brain surgeons and religious fanatics can be artists apparently
benjamin
1 articles & 212 comments since 30 Nov 2007
willy - your little bit on Philistinism is priceless.
'a public who would really like to see some nice safe minimalism / impressionism / classisism.'
when these different -isms were first shown they were not 'safe' and were generally greeted by the public with the type of response/disdain that you are are giving current contemporary work.

artists challenged contexts with their work, the institutions slowly accepted them, the public slowly accepted and grew to them

how was the real william blake considered by your 'public' in his lifetime?
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
cheers ben anything for a larf..

my response / distain is, for this arguments sake, a meta - distain / response. Any icon worth clasming has already been nailed; leading to the ironobanality we are currently served up in many publicly funded shows ( especially in the front line pack of the 100% new zeeland allblack art sport team )

cutting edge or back of the spoon?

You are perhaps underestimating the relative sophistication of the audience in relation to contemporary practice- I do not see art as having steamed over the viewers horizon of understanding and much of it is insulting to that audiences intelligence.

Iconoclasts or just taking the piss?
mathew
3 articles & 203 comments since 2 Oct 2007
"artists challenged contexts, ....and the public accepted and grew to them." This is true of some modernist artists-but certainly not all-least of all the ugliest grandaddy of them all--Duchamp.
I would argue that whereas the public has grown to genuinely like such groundbreaking art by artists such as Pollock and Van Gogh etc: there is still almost 100% rejection by the public of Duchamp's canon. As Duchamp is arguably the greatest influence on postmodern installation art, this poses a problem for contemporary artists.
Its important to realise that its not as if the public hasn,t had time to appreciate Duchamp....He's had roughly 35years longer than pollock to sink into thye public art consciousness.... but I don,t see any blockbuster films on him-unlike Pollock.
Could this be because Duchamp's appeal is only to a very narrow segment of society, one that favours a cerebral approach to art largely rejected by the public at large?
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006


who would you cast as duchamp matthew?
naturebirth
artandmylife
9 articles & 197 comments since 1 Feb 2008
Some questions. If contemporary art is "Now" when does it cease to be contemporary? I ask because of the examples of 'old' contemporary artists being bandied around. If XXX was contemporary for their time, what are they now? I am also interested in the 'licensure' issue. Yes anyone can make art but what does it take for it to be legitimised (and I use that term very loosely)?

And Mathew do you not consider Pollock 'cerebral'. Admittedly Duchamp is harder for 'the public' (who are they BTW?) to digest but i have a theory about that being roughly that the masses like art with 'take home value'.
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
a&ml I see contemporary art as being contingent and liminal, neither accepted into the cannons or rejected. Once these issues are resolved the art is no longer contemporary (this may take moments or generations to decide) Of course a culture shift may restore old or ancient art to contemporary status, it just unlikely that this will happen because it has probably become landfill.
naturebirth
artandmylife
9 articles & 197 comments since 1 Feb 2008
wb - I meant when does it cease to BE contemporary? (A typo I have corrected). Is a contemporary artist of 30 years ago still a contemporary artist? Contemporary art seems to have a few definitions which may be confusing me. Does the term have a use by date?
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
as above..when it is either accepted into or rejected from existing cannons.
naturebirth
artandmylife
9 articles & 197 comments since 1 Feb 2008
Hmmm - that simple huh? The sorting table before its 'bagged and tagged'
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
...I rekon Jeremy Irons
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mathew
3 articles & 203 comments since 2 Oct 2007
I,m interested in this term "contemporary". To me , now, its usage in the art world is roughly equivalent to how in past times the term"fine" was employed. In other words its all about status....artists puffing themselves up and declaring that they are "contemporary" artists, like some prize cockerals. "Contemporary", now has that aura around it....it needs some artists to puncture its pretentiousness, expose the snob value that has accrued around it. Hopefully, soon, we shall see just how hopelessly elistist the "contemporary" art movement has become....just like abstract expressioniusm did in the 50s.
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
or if its a hollywood blockbuster Peter Coyote...
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william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
another definition of contemporary art from the funt of knowledge wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_art
naturebirth
artandmylife
9 articles & 197 comments since 1 Feb 2008
Exactly - I read the wiki definition a while back and it did not tie-in with all I was reading about NZ contemporary art. I just thought it was my lack of an art degree that made me confused
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
sam shepard...
244.shepard.sam.100606 MarcelDuchamp
mathew
3 articles & 203 comments since 2 Oct 2007
I rather fancy Sylvester Stallone playing Duchamp.
william blake
29 articles & 728 comments since 15 Aug 2006
sylvester stallone is a found object
ao
75 comments since 16 Nov 2006
Duchamp may not have had a Hollywood biopic yet... but he has appeared as the uber-villain 'Dr Neutron' in a Wolverine comic. I can post up some page scans if anyone is interested? The last pic you posted WB is actually in the comic with 'Large Glass'-type schematic drawings superimposed as the inner workings of a diabolical mind!
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