3 shows on now
View Calendar | Add a show
Artbash makes it easy (and free) to create a website if you are an artist or an art gallery.

Get started on your website now.
 

its that time of the month again

Forum > Off-site Articles

Comments:
41 to 60 of 106
MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
Also, the Mapplethorpe photograph above is a great example that if you are going to copy at least try and do it well!
Madgie
43 comments since 2 Jul 2010

Art can’t create change by simply being a part of the net, technology or by consisting from its means. It just hides there at the moment because the media and the public still have the power. I think if artists want to make change then they should do so through the media, against the law. Artists should band together not by becoming preoccupied with the small specifics of art, but by harmonizing the highs and lows of shared experience, based entirely on self-interest. Its about creating cohesion by finding ways to validate each others art without destroying it. The boundary that is being pushed is the system, not necessarily by a unified awareness of what this system is but simply by being reactionary toward whatever stands in the way of art. The relationship artists have with their own practice is a more powerful medium then any rational specifics that can for instance be set up to protest against political systems gaining power status. It would seem rational to embrace that fact in order to contend with reality rather then to blame ourselves and each other for shameless self promotion in an environment that has become competitive on an entirely superficial level.

MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
Interesting points you bring up Madgie, but haven’t the arts have always been 'shameless self promotion in an environment that has become competitive on an entirely superficial level' with the exception perhaps of the cave painters, but who knows they may well have been the smart arse's of the Troglodyte community. At least we don’t kill competing artists to get the church’s commission any more!

I do agree with you that artists should create cohesion for themselves, and I'm sure as much as possible they do. Everyone knows, apart from those involved perhaps, that the media has too much power to influence, but I’m not so sure the public does. Much of the power in the arts does lay in the minds of the media, but it is mostly with those that hold positions of power in the institutions, such as curators and directors, and perhaps those dealers who choose to have high public profiles for whatever reason. This is why I think artists, especially younger artists, should use tools that perhaps they are more familiar with than those who hold the power. The stories being told or ideas being expressed through the arts will always revolve and recycle, that is simply the nature of humans! If it were not, there would be no more hunger, no more wars, no more racism.
So for me the best way for young artists to tell their version of the story and be noticed by those who hold the power, is to try and achieve something that has not yet been seen, more than it is the philosophies they follow.

When I said internet based art, I didn’t necessarily mean art that was literally on the internet. And to be honest I don’t know what could be done, or I’d probably be doing it. However for example, there must be some way that the methods and influences the internet has on society can be transferred to the gallery environment. How this might be done is something I would love to see in contemporary art competitions much more than poorly executed reiterations of previous generations voices. But then the new step in the arts is always the hardest isn’t it, because before you can take it, you must find it!
Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010

Since 2000 I have wanted to create a mobile phone thingi where (for free) anyone can dial up a person anywhere else on earth to engage them in going on a visual "trip" with and for them (no air miles, low carbn footprint) with their cell phone camera direct inot one's PC and or mobile phone so I can see and hear the conference I couldn't afford to go to - the walking tour around the old wall of the City of London, a mounteineering trip? a gallery walk? Then if it is run through a website groups can go on the live walks and talks and this will become a new star making media - a live U Tube - where the guides become heroes and heroines Nay? And this from a 55 year old MR!

nosferatu
1 articles & 323 comments since 27 Dec 2007

internet shminternet! making something arty from the "media formerly known as new" (as Sally McIntyre recently put it) does not seem to predispose any more interesting newness in art, internet mainly used by people wanting everyone to see their dopey painting.

even the best and smartest strain themselves for good questions made possible by new ways of doing things: net artist vuc cosic has been mining "technological nostalgia" as a form of newness for several years. The snake is eating itself in search for novelty. but why try so hard?? because a sensation of novelty is really not sooo hard when aparently nobody remembers five minutes ago. this is why we can all get excited or surprised, like sheep, about the same shit again and again. so an savvy artist like Cosic creates newness by reminding about some of the shit we already forgot about

although @ MR: the main reason why internet art does not appear in these competitions is because the same competitions are run by older establishment types and they usually specifically exclude everything except narrow genre selection eg: "painting, sculpture, photography" why are these 'new' forms excluded? well they say its because they might not be 'proper' art but its mainly because said older establishment types have no idea how to install them.

oh FFS. *vampire turns head and spits in disgust*

MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
to 55 yr old b'art, what a great idea! Your mobile phone thingi as you put it could potentially be transferred to the gallery space with some clever thinking, perhaps not live as you would suggest, but that must be doable, especially after 10 years of wanting I may add ;)

To Nosferatu, if Nelson Mandella had simply turned his head, spat, and walked away in disgust where would South Africa be now? The way to eventually make change in the establishment is to be sure that when you get there yourself you don't turn into an old fart establishment type as well! However it would seem exactly that happens generation after generation.

I'm pretty sure the COCA Anthony Harper Contemporary art award in Christchurch accepts entries in any form.
nosferatu
1 articles & 323 comments since 27 Dec 2007

the fictional vampire league would like to post the following disclaimer after recent complaints:
I didn't actually spit before, even though I turned my head so it wouldnt get on your shoes and everything. although I still might get around to it. considering my options. disgusted spittting or noble matyrdom for human rights.
hmmn.
tough one.

you should know that ...deep down... I would not really be willing to be unfairly imprisoned for three decades, accepting my cruel martyrdom (and probable eventual presidency of the arts council after being an icon of such idealism and hope in dark times) against the hope that one day ...one day... judges of art competitions will unfailingly be men and women of moral stature who do no brutally exclude and marginalise purveyors of art forms somehow deemed to be lesser than REAL art such as dopey painting, or in anycase, art that is quite often a bit bewildering and notoriously difficult to get working right

nooo, I will not agree to suffer at all in the righteous fight that the tiniest art competitions in the furthest corners of small town nz will one day accept internet art. and know how to install it.

you crack me up MR

Madgie
43 comments since 2 Jul 2010
The art scene has never been so diluted as it is today. 'Shameless self promotion in an environment that has become competitive on an entirely superficial level' exists in and out of certain levels of perception of what art is and for what purpose, but it can never be acceptable. You can justify anything by nit picking the surrounding baggage and reasons for why things have happened like they have, but noone cares/focuses anymore on what it does at the moment it happens and openly accepts that as a part of culture unless its already been done. In the many ways that art can be considered bad it will also tend to be treated in many ways that all leads to its end. It is thus constantly being contained/decapitated by either being embraced or rejected by certain areas of the art scene and if not them then the public themselves. The continuous desire to justify that art does what it does because of why it does it, happens indiscriminately. This is desire like any other, based upon self-interest. So I’m saying the question should not be ‘is it?’ but rather where has it become acceptable to express itself to a degree that self-awareness has become blindsided from the fact. My argument is against being quietly self-interested and openly selective because art should be dealing with questions of nonexistence against art, as opposed to a competition manufactured by an unhealthy art scene.
Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010
Touch eh! MR. I like your speak about affecting change vis vie the "establishment" / Status quo aloigarchy et al film commission. WCC art judging!

Artist as dissident is what it's all about. One's cpnscience compels one - for the sake of honesty in th e seeking of one's truths - to expunge those truths to - er the world - this through art becomes an audience in one way or another and is the real politic in action - the real doemcracy - one cannot be told to like something - one is influenced by the trust in others' opinions to accept or reject word of mouth - then make one's own decision about the art in question then pass it on so to speak.

I agree with nosterfaru however the simple acceptance of where something is simply issuing from any so called new media is hardly the real issue - as you suggest MR it's about the content at the end of the day - and that content has be be driven in my opinion from conscience aimed to affect solution making to real issues. To affect real change - so it doesn't really matter if you think your attention span (Nos) and or memory has failed you again - in being bombarded by advertising/ market forced media etc. speak about that in your art if you need to for god's sake! I mean every narrative is a "call to action" as they say in advertising - so getting 30 narratives per hour on terrestrial television - as one example is ovf course going to hurt one's capacity to remember. Well - what are you gonna do about it? smash the TV as art? stuff it up the broadcasting minister's rectal sphincter? Or pose yourself the real question... "exactly what action will demonstrably deliver change?" Call it art and you are off mate(ess).
MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
Nice b'art, I could hardly agree more.

The thing I believe Nosferatu is that if you seriously want to create change, then first you have to get into a position do so, and two good ways to do that are to either create something totally new that cannot be ignored, Internet and mobile phone art just two things that came to mind that could offer a starting point, that’s all, or to work your way into a position of art political power! Almost every time I think to come and look at artbash I see moaning by people who feel disenfranchised by the establishment, but just like regurgitated art ideas, moaning doesn’t have much potential to get anyone anywhere .

Madgie, I struggle to understand exactly what your trying to say in your last post. I thought great art was more often a result of self interest? I understand what you mean when you say ‘ as opposed to a competition manufactured by an unhealthy art scene’ but the ‘art scene’ doesn’t create art competitions they are created by art business. Big Difference, perhaps then it is the art business that you dislike, both dealer and institutional.

Perhaps part of the problem, going by the way I’ve heard and read some artists talk about their work lately, people are more taught how to talk about art than to actually make it?
Madgie
43 comments since 2 Jul 2010

I wouldn't know where to begin with politics and self-interest MR. Societies ears are ringing with crys for help from around the world, but the problem is that they become demands if they cannot be met. The means are simply not there because everyone is being bombarded by an advertising/market forced media. The facts and figures of current affairs are constantly being recycled and melted down into brand new forms of advertising. In this process the specifics of politics are lost into a society that is consequentially becoming an underdeveloped conscience with a disinterest or distrust of all information that doesn't pertain to self-interest.
Conditions for many are becoming less then favorable and society is slowly turning into ..well artists by intuition. At the moment technology is responsible for manipulatively distracting people from organized cohesive power against political forces. What the equation really adds up to is a platform to sculpt human consciousness for consumerist purposes so a sense of entitlement can be manufactured before any purpose is met. For this reason people feel distant to the rest of the world because they are being made immobile by the same technologies they have become dependent on to coexist. In the mean time Art is being prostituted off as marketing strategies to milk out the consumer culture a little further. There is no practical end to anything because nothing is real anymore, therefor real is what remains by process of elimination.

Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010
Madgie,

Look for the contradictions
Re-unite the polemics
With humour
In a context that make people remamber
Fuck the institutions - do it in the real world - the real gallery they can't control
MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
Madgie, I admire your sense of disdain for what happens in our so called civilized society, as I'm sure the majority of art makers would. But to confuse art with advertising and a market forced media would result in nothing but despair! While many artists do create art to highlight the cry's off help by the people around the world you mention, or to bring attention to social indecencies etc, it has never been and never will be the place of art to cure those ills! Artists make art for whatever the many varied reason they choose, and nobody can tell them what to do, technology is only responsible for manipulatively distracting people who allow themselves to be distracted or manipulated.

‘In the mean time Art is being prostituted off as marketing strategies to milk out the consumer culture a little further’ then who really is the Pimp?

If you want to change the arts institutions then get into a position to do so, and try not to become that which you just replaced, and if you want to change the world get into politics :-)

Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010
Mr. you are Quite factually, historically and ethically incorrect. Goya's war etchings, Picasso's Guernica et al et al et al... The artist's only aim is to make life better... "masterpieces are warning signs ranged on the precipice of culture" "the creation of a work or art and its reception by the viewer'audience creates a purging trauma" (Tarkovaski).

I also created a brand, series of anti adverts for mainstream TV in NZ called rADz (ardical art advertisements) which were minimally but significantly paid for by TV4 and the Sundance Channel for the use of our 120 rADz - 30 or so sceond duration films that sold nothing but art, ideas, comedy and politics. My series was made by around 100 experienced and emerging film artists (and myself once) and we gained 500 minutes per TV channel per year - throughout their schedules including prime time. (that's five feature films per anum of airtime) The film commission would not support any further development of my brand and when I asked to accompany them to Caremont Ferrand - the world's biggest short film fest in France they said - pay your own way. When I got their they would not give me access to their internet, treated me like I was gatecrashing their party and er - like many - our relationship with the NZFC deeply soured... so much so that in 2001 or so Gordon Harcourt at a party in London said to me - I have just been teaching the Film Commission about media and boy do they hate you mate!

So artists can create "art dancing in the devil's playground" (Alan Brunton) as well as take on the market forced media world. All one has to do is bury into a new field of play like TV ad breaks - realise they don't ever sell them all - then call it one's own gallery - this could be the net, gutters, the City Halls for that matter. And the mere fact of their existence does help cure ills - is as Tarkovski says a "spiritually driven mission near to religious" (or words to that effect). These kinds of art acts do "emancipate" as Chris Trotter described them. Or in my song from the age of 19 or so...

"Oh why don't you breal away
you weren't born to obey
Come to the country
be rained on"
IMG2081
mr tourette
9 articles & 289 comments since 29 Jan 2009
Barry do you think any of the works in the Whykato sweepstakes are in any way political or better yet politically effective, in any way?
Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010
Mr T. I haven't even bothered looking - I guess I should?!? I don't think art is a competitive horse race so don't tend to go there. From your description I suspect the only politics in the show are second hand - as in watch what happens when you lure a bunch of attractants into a game show. Judging art in these kinds of "contests" is usually about PR for the institution so the best thing one can do in such an event is show how much money is paid to the curators or show the dirty sponsorship deals or some other laundry. I will have a look and see what gives.
MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007

I take offense at having my ethics questioned here B’art :)

Goya and Picasso et al et al et al have of course made art that desires to make the world a better place as you say, but even so I would hardly say that Picasso’s sole, or even main, aim as an artist was to make the world a better place! However, despite a great number of artists doing just that, I still do not believe it is arts place to cure the worlds social and political ills, even if that was a big part of it’s reason to be! And as those rather potent references would quiet clearly show, if it is then it has has been very ineffectual in doing so! Reading this thread just emphasizes that very little changes over time. Perhaps Madgie is right, that we are all so self interested that we care little about others, maybe that’s why so many who criticize become what they criticized as soon as they are accepted by those they criticized.

Like you I cannot see art as a competitive horse race, and as you rightly say, even without seeing it, the only politics in this particular horse race are second hand, probably because the motivation behind them is primarily a desire to win the cash and the press exposure than any other desire such as to make the world a better place!

IMG2081
mr tourette
9 articles & 289 comments since 29 Jan 2009

here are all of the contenders in the hangy thing section, feel free to add other possibles from the chosen 'finalists'.

It is probably a small price to pay but im not sure I would like my own hangy sculpture to be seen in this company but hell that $(dollars)15,000 (thousand) prize money ($$$) is really tempting.

The only way out of such bad company is to win the competition.

Some would say the show was curated.

356381309984802671231260840607585651992693723245n 358631309601336042911260840607585651988251141313n-1 358631309601402709571260840607585651988273869709n 373451309619469374431260840607585651988444289288n
Copy-of-DSC03276-1
b'art Homme
12 articles & 207 comments since 22 May 2010
God... Even I am better hung than that :)
MR
218 comments since 20 Jul 2007
Sadly our need to eat and the devil reside in the same dollars eh mr t.

I would tend to agree that art prizes like this are in many ways curated, and therefore not necessarily a selection of the most worthy works. Considering their positions, usually within the arts industry or institutions, it is highly probable, and in a way understandable, the Juror will want to put together a cohesive show, or if not cohesive then at least in line with their personal interests-tastes, either way the result is pretty much the same.
Join or Login to comment
Page Loads
2 0 7 8 9